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Plot Holes, Continuity Problems, And Other Flows You Noticed On Fma-1, Spoiler Alert!!
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post Apr 20 2005, 06:40 PM
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despite that i do admire the screenplay of the FMA series and have been touched so many times--there is nothing perfect tho-just discovered a minor flaw:

in the episode in which ed killed greed: before ed came, al and izumi were fighting greed. then a chimera knocked off greed's head in front of al--then greed brought his head back and complained the blow was too hard. then, after a while, ed just came in. i assume he did not see all of the show.

then after ed killed greed. looking at his body, ed cried: why should u die? isn't that true that you can still survive when ur head was blown off? how did he know all of these? i don't think al and izumi had time to tell him~~

just my 2 cents
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post Apr 20 2005, 06:44 PM
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huh.gif Odd. I haven't seen the episode, but I'll keep a lookout for that little flaw. Thanks for the heads up, Cutewitch.


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post Apr 20 2005, 09:15 PM
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Hmm, good point. The only thing that bugged me in the series was when [SPOILER]Al went and touched Ed's face after he died and said, "See, his body's still warm." I thought Al couldn't feel anything in that body.[/SPOILER]
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post Apr 20 2005, 09:37 PM
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for this point i would say that it is an artistic rendering~~just like the automail arm streched into the sky in the end.

another thing is that--the blood seal in al's armour. i remember in the end of the series ed said that al should not swim/or go into the river?? yet in the beginning of the series when the two are practising kong fu thing--ed did beat al into the water~~


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Hmm, good point.  The only thing that bugged me in the series was when [SPOILER]Al went and touched Ed's face after he died and said, "See, his body's still warm."  I thought Al couldn't feel anything in that body.[/SPOILER]
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post Apr 20 2005, 10:35 PM
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BONES admitted that they had messed up here and there for the series. They corrected some of the stuff that they can correct in the DVDs, like how Ed punched his fist into his palm then accidentedly heated up the tub of water in the TV series now becoming Ed 'clapping' his palms in the DVD.
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post Apr 20 2005, 10:45 PM
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The clapping thing was the mess up there. You don't clap when you're angry, you'd punch your hand.
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post Apr 21 2005, 02:32 AM
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QUOTE(NeoKakashi @ Apr 20 2005, 10:45 PM)
The clapping thing was the mess up there.  You don't clap when you're angry, you'd punch your hand.
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BONES said the punch was the mess-up since they said the alchemy can only be done by clapping hands.
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post Apr 21 2005, 03:03 AM
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but really... there shouldn't be a different between clapping and punching hands because it's still a "circle" made with the alchemist's body >.>;; (if it can only be achieved with clapping, then Wrath is already the biggest mess up because he did it to trap Al or something in Jack Island only by touching his arm and leg with the ground)

cutewitch: oh yea... O-O I better rewatch...

BONES even wrote Winry's name wrong somewhere in the anime (spelled the katakana wrong) I think... == *stabs BONES*


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post Apr 21 2005, 03:49 AM
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Hey, who says " u dont clap ur hands when ur angry" ? Well, I do. tongue.gif And he wasn't angry, he's frustrated. If I was him, I probably clap my hands too and slap my head.
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post Apr 21 2005, 09:18 AM
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QUOTE(Guest @ Apr 21 2005, 02:32 AM)
QUOTE(NeoKakashi @ Apr 20 2005, 10:45 PM)
The clapping thing was the mess up there. You don't clap when you're angry, you'd punch your hand.
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BONES said the punch was the mess-up since they said the alchemy can only be done by clapping hands.
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Oh. How stupid. It shouldn't really matter to anyone because that wasn't stated in the series.
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post Apr 21 2005, 09:42 AM
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The Greed thing can easily be explained. Ed said, in essence, that he thought Greed would live even if his head were severed. This doesn't imply that he saw Greed's head grow back in the previous episode, it was merely a coincidence that Ed used a decapitation example when what he meant was merely, "I thought you guys were immortal" because he didn't understand the purpose of the Transmutation circle below his feet.

Do you see what I'm saying?

As for Al feeling his brothers warmth--I don't think he was perceiving it tactiley.


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post Apr 21 2005, 10:11 AM
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i understand that ed was gonna say" i thought you were immortal," but i would say that if ed used another example, such as "even the body is pierced/stabbed etc," it will not be considered as a "flaw"--the crucial part here is that--the decapitation thing happened only on greed and not on other homunculi. how can ed come to this observation? others might say that he came to this line by deduction/speculation etc., yet based on the whole story and other characters performance, i would say that almost all of them make deduction based on some observation/examples



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The Greed thing can easily be explained. Ed said, in essence, that he thought Greed would live even if his head were severed. This doesn't imply that he saw Greed's head grow back in the previous episode, it was merely a coincidence that Ed used a decapitation example when what he meant was merely, "I thought you guys were immortal" because he didn't understand the purpose of the Transmutation circle below his feet.

Do you see what I'm saying?

As for Al feeling his brothers warmth--I don't think he was perceiving it tactiley.
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post Apr 21 2005, 12:27 PM
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QUOTE(cutewitch @ Apr 21 2005, 10:11 AM)
i understand that ed was gonna say" i thought you were immortal," but i would say that if ed used another example, such as "even the body is pierced/stabbed etc," it will not be considered as a "flaw"--the crucial part here is that--the decapitation thing happened only on greed and not on other homunculi. how can ed come to this observation? others might say that he came to this line by deduction/speculation etc., yet based on the whole story and other characters performance, i would say that almost all of them make deduction based on some observation/examples
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I don't think I explained myself well.

I'm saying that what he was saying was entirely generic and had no connection to Greed's prior decapitation at all.

Or hell, maybe he saw Greed's head on the floor when he went to rescue Al and put two and two together.


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post Apr 21 2005, 02:16 PM
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maybe i did not express myself better--i understand your point that ed was just using some example of their immortality--but i don't think in that episode it is a generic use: ed's original words are that "even your head is bumped off..." which perfectly correlates with the scene in episode 33. the two episodes are consecutive and there are good reasons for audience to link the two together; even ed wanted to make a generic use of that, he should have some basis for his imagination even if it is just a small clue--yet till then we did not see any. besides, i don't think ed has time to see the "putting the head together thing" if you re-watch the episode 33. this is a rough temporal sequence:

greed's head was bumped off and brought back-- izumi and her husband jumped into the fight--ed asked armstrong about the location--when izumi was beaten by greed, ed came--he was gasping then--therefore, he should have run to the devil's nest rather than lurking around the place to observe everything from the beginning.


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QUOTE(cutewitch @ Apr 21 2005, 10:11 AM)
i understand that ed was gonna say" i thought you were immortal," but i would say that if ed used another example, such as "even the body is pierced/stabbed etc," it will not be considered as a "flaw"--the crucial part here is that--the decapitation thing happened only on greed and not on other homunculi. how can ed come to this observation? others might say that he came to this line by deduction/speculation etc., yet based on the whole story and other characters performance, i would say that almost all of them make deduction based on some observation/examples
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I don't think I explained myself well.

I'm saying that what he was saying was entirely generic and had no connection to Greed's prior decapitation at all.

Or hell, maybe he saw Greed's head on the floor when he went to rescue Al and put two and two together.
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post Apr 21 2005, 05:51 PM
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What??? I am sooo confused right now...


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