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Episode 16: Footsteps Of A Comrade-in-arms - Content Discussion Thread, Caution! Spoilers for the first 16 episodes!
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post Jul 20 2009, 09:43 PM
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post Jul 20 2009, 10:02 PM
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I think I remember reading something about a company called Edwin that makes a line of jeans called 503, so the Edwin (the couple) fans associated the number with the couple, and Arakawa threw it in knowing about it and everything. I'm not entirely sure where I read it, but it was something like that


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post Jul 21 2009, 06:03 AM
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lol really? arakawa is so considerate of her fans! that is actually pretty cool


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post Jul 21 2009, 09:13 AM
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Yes the 503 thing is a style of jeans called Edwin.

I didn't like this episode very much, but I can't pinpoint exactly why. It had all it required, but I really don't like how they've altered scenes and removed even the slightest moment of humour. Although Ed spends a lot of this episode feeling guilty about Hughes death, there isn't the scene with him kicking himself for leaving the paper out for Winry to see it. I hate to bring it up...but it's almost taking away scenes that I think are vital to their relationship. Winry doesn't display her tears as much in the manga, and Ed takes a slice of pie as his way of awkwardly comforting her...and they changed it. Rant over...for now.

The rest of the episode was okay though, if perhaps a little slow paced. I know it's more of a filler/build up episode and we've had some good action so in the grand scheme of things it's okay. I think Hawkeye looked a little too wide eyed though, too child like.


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post Jul 21 2009, 11:41 AM
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Descent episode, no major noticable flaws (or perhaps I was just tired when watching), though a few skipped scenes that would have been nice to see included. Though, a slight problem. I just can't, CAN'T, get myself into feeling bad for the characters. This show doesn't give me any emotional reactions whatsoever. I can count one or two times when I've actually felt something. That's it. Am I just hollow on the inside, or is it something else? Something like this show not feeling quite as original, or genuine, or good as one could wish? I Dunno.


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post Jul 21 2009, 12:26 PM
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Great episode, one of the best parts of The Brotherhood so far. Very sad one and filled with emotion. The scene with Havoc walking through Central to meet Lust was a masterpiece of using music to create melancholic feeling. Also, hurray for Edwin.
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post Jul 21 2009, 11:18 PM
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i originally want to give a bad ep,but stopped due to the fact i think i 'm the one who got problems after reading the initial reviews,plus the weather at my place is really hot at that time.so i rewatch the ep first b4 i comment further.
vol9,in which this ep is included ,is one of my favourites so i know a lot of details here,compare to previous 15 episodes

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QUOTE (Broken Chouchou @ Jul 22 2009, 02:41 AM) *
Descent episode, no major noticable flaws (or perhaps I was just tired when watching), though a few skipped scenes that would have been nice to see included. Though, a slight problem. I just can't, CAN'T, get myself into feeling bad for the characters. This show doesn't give me any emotional reactions whatsoever. I can count one or two times when I've actually felt something. That's it. Am I just hollow on the inside, or is it something else? Something like this show not feeling quite as original, or genuine, or good as one could wish? I Dunno.

yeah,that's why i feel myself to being weird/no emotion lol(but emotion is subjective,so i wont say it's the same case for others).i agree with chinchou part that there's no noticable flaws,and i dont feel that much as compared to i read the manga.hughes death does not carry much weight for me(i'm manga reader at first),but the scenes in manga give me a lot of weight,especially ed's guilt,partly bcos good art by arakawa,and ed's uncertainty on whom to trust.Anyway it's purely IMO only,and probably again,i read a lot of times on it in manga & i 'm hoping too much.
hughes part ,i think is a bit annoying too-maybe too long?
i think gracia scenes places well,where it's a good substitution with gracia crying part.
after viewing several times,i dont feel that bad-maybe average(in some)
but the final parts are good,perhaps starting from maria ross(or maybe winry's part) arrest to havoc's.


Art
there are some characters drawn not that right.for hawkeye,i think hers allright-probably no huge forehead anyway.
i think lust(on one scene-not the final scene),roy(last scene b4 preview),and ed's eyes(after he shows pointy face with roy)

i think the art is good where havoc meets his 'girlfriend',and lust there is drawn well too.
is my imagination or lust frequently appears at sunset?

music
I think I summarise up too much on my previous review,but
I rewatch some parts,and i agree this fma series lacks of new music(except lior,ep1),and music that associated with characters/place.maria ross tell hughes death scene music is a bit annoying(i miss that during my first preview),but still,i think there are two fine cues
for next eps,i hope they include new music in next one,and xerxes-i hope there's some ancient/greecian music

QUOTE (Nzm @ Jul 22 2009, 03:26 AM) *
Great episode, one of the best parts of The Brotherhood so far. Very sad one and filled with emotion. The scene with Havoc walking through Central to meet Lust was a masterpiece of using music to create melancholic feeling. Also, hurray for Edwin.

I think that one is one fine cue,but i think it's used b4,at least the starting of the cue.it's used in the first starting intro of first few series.but i think this is the first time we heard the extention/variation of this cue,and it makes the scenes very exciting.i think the cello part is in sync with havoc movement(+plus great animation)smile.gif
and the other one is after winry ,ed ,al left hughes place.i'm not sure whether this cue is less frequently used,or used in the early part of ep,but it's very good in my opinion,and it helps to bring emotion up.these two cues i mentioned ,used cello as the main melody,with other strings instrument as accompaniment.there's another music in bathroom scene which is good too.

Preview
i think they reveal too much(for anime-only viewers)


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post Jul 23 2009, 10:16 AM
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@Sal_san and Meu - I think you two have a very interesting discussion on scene changes and omitted scenes from FMA manga to FMA: Brotherhood anime. And, as such, I moved your posts to Keeping Track Of Skipped/changed Fma Manga Scenes In Fma: B Anime, Discussions on omitted scenes & scene changes from manga in FM:B thread.

Anyone with opinions and comments on scene/story changes and omitted scenes in FMA: B anime from FMA manga, please post that on the above linked thread. smile.gif


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post Jul 23 2009, 02:42 PM
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Thank you, Tombow. XD


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QUOTE (Jealous Rogo @ Jul 20 2009, 11:02 AM) *
On the negative side, I don't know if it was just the translation I saw, but I did think it ruined the surprise of that Havoc was dating Lust by having Envy ask Lust if her boyfriend had given her any info. After hearing Havoc announce he had a new gf earlier in the episode, anyone who didn't know must've had alarm bells ringing at that point.


I noticed this too - and both tmd-asu and Eclipse translated it with the "boyfriend" included. Anyone know if that's a correct translation? Even if it was, if I were the fansubber I would have changed it to "informant" or something to make it not so obvious.
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post Jul 25 2009, 07:48 AM
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I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't notice that without having read the manga, they wouldn't even be thinking about the fact Havoc said he had a girlfriend as it was a very minor thing at the start of the episode that was portrayed just as comedy.
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Please add FMA:B English dubbed episode 16 (on CN on Adult Swim) talk-back/discussions here. smile.gif


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Not a lot to really add about this dub(most of it was every bit as good as the original, IMO) except one thing- I felt that the actress who played Gracia was way too wooden in her scene with Ed.

Other than that- I liked Caitlin during the "apple pie" scene- thought she did a great job there.
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Still mad they left out the apple pie.

This episode is to angsty for my liking.
I do love Barry though, so that makes up for it biggrin.gif


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By far my least favorite dubbed episode. I hate to be a person that rants about how bad a dub is, but it was waaay over-acted and melodramatic, and to be too dramatic in a scene like the ones in THIS episode is saying something. The voices of Vic and Caitlin were too trembly and shaky in the scenes when talking about Hughes. And I'm not one to usually complain about 1-line characters, but the voice of the flower-lady made me cringe. I think everyone else was okay... it was just that Vic Mignogna and Caitlin Glass were OFF.


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