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Episode 14: Those Who Lurk Underground - Content Discussion Thread, Warning, Spoilers for contents of ep 1 through ep 14!
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post Jul 5 2009, 07:35 PM
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After last week's episode, I'm pretty sure that almost anything would have been great in comparison, but luckily, this episode already kicked arse anyways. Visuals were even better than usual, and it's good to see that they didn't skimp out on the gore. (Did Dorochet actually get sliced in half?)

Al's scene with the Truth was great, and pretty creepy, but that's how I like it.
There was actually a part where Bradley's fighting was freaking insane. It was awesome. biggrin.gif

I liked the part with Bradley visiting Izumi and Armstrong advising Ed not to be reckless?, it covers up all of the loose details and their unexplained entrance hardly even matters now.

I think that at the very end with Bradley's family, it was meant to be sort of...uh...ironic? that it's such a sweet family scene, and they have no idea what Bradley is, but all I'm thinking about is how goddamn creepy Selim is and how cutely he's portrayed here. So it's like triple, er, double irony. Blargh, ignore this, I'm confusing myself.


On Voice Casting for Father:
I'm gonna be alone in saying this, but I don't mind Father's voice. I don't think a very deep or menacing voice suits him, since he always reminded me of the behind-the-scenes villain who partakes in evil cocktail parties and sips wine, and never really struck me as evil.
Overall, brilliant episode. I think I trust the director now, but I'll have to wait and see how the pacing of the second season is.


On upcoming episode:
Eh, Ling's not somebody I care about, and Mei's annoying, but damn. Chinese people are always cool.
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post Jul 5 2009, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE (Radadinator @ Jul 5 2009, 10:35 PM) *
(Did Dorochet actually get sliced in half?).

*checks manga* Um, not sure...here's the page where Dorochet dies. It's not really clear where he was cut but obviously Wrath/Bradley killed him.


About Selim...
QUOTE (Radadinator @ Jul 5 2009, 10:35 PM) *
but all I'm thinking about is how goddamn creepy Selim is and how cutely he's portrayed here. So it's like triple, er, double irony. Blargh, ignore this, I'm confusing myself..

Yeah, I get what you mean by "ironic," especially the last sentence.


On Voice Casting for Father:
QUOTE (Radadinator @ Jul 5 2009, 10:35 PM) *
I'm gonna be alone in saying this, but I don't mind Father's voice. I don't think a very deep or menacing voice suits him, since he always reminded me of the behind-the-scenes villain who partakes in evil cocktail parties and sips wine, and never really struck me as evil.

Hey, you're not alone, Father's voice doesn't bother me either. I think it's fine the way it is.


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QUOTE (Radadinator @ Jul 5 2009, 10:35 PM) *
Eh, Ling's not somebody I care about, and Mei's annoying, but damn. Chinese people are always cool.

Yay for Chinese people biggrin.gif (I'm from China lol)


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post Jul 5 2009, 08:21 PM
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This episode definitely made up for the last one. The animation was incredible, especially the fight scenes.

I'm glad that they covered up the stuff they skipped from the manga in the last episode.

And OMG, I freaked when Selim came running up to Bradley with his cute little voice. How can he be so cute AND evil?!
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On Voice Casting for Father:
I don't mind father's voice either, but I did expect it to have a bit more...I dunno, god-like judgment ring to it?
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post Jul 5 2009, 09:01 PM
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I was kind of unimpressed. I never found myself gripped, entertained, moved or laughing. I at least expected some kind of "woah!" moment considering Greed versus Wrath...But no. It was all just...Stuff.
A lot of it seems to stem from the last episode and it means that this entire thing just didn't flow right...

As per usual, I haven't reread the manga version yet, so I imagine I'll end up liking this episode slightly more or absolutely hating it when I do.

Bullet points!
-Armstrong versus Roa was actually pretty good though. Well animated and brutal.
-Art looked solid, but at times seemed too static again. And Greed's bobblehead bit was just...Bizarre.
-Was Wrath that well built in the manga?
-Nice to see Sloth.
-Didn't care for Father's voice.
-They pussied out with Greed's crucifiction? Really? That whole scene just seemed totally un-epic compared to my recollections of the manga, generally.
-White room. Very white room.
-The music is good but it seemed like they forgot to put it in a few scenes.
-All the homonculi in one episode?
-Next week on Fullmetal Alchemist: Ninjas, a tiny panda and Liiiiiiiing! ;D


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post Jul 6 2009, 12:11 AM
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Heh, all seven homunculi in one episode!

Some further comments:

I really thought the action was pretty amazing in the episode, especially anyting Fuhrer Bradley did, even when he was just talking. They pumped up the animation any time Bradley did anything. And the VA for him is still strong as ever, if not better than when he played the role in the first series. I thought it was pretty amusing in that added scene with him and Izumi that we had two returning VAs discussing something again.

It was weird having Bradley and Armstrong just sort of showing up, because of the Fuhrer supposedly conducting an inspection. How could he have even known about Greed's wherabouts? That's sort of weak. I also think they made Greed out to be a little pathetic, escaping because he was teamed up on by Ed and Izumi, instead of being inconvenienced with the military's presence, like in the manga, and deciding it wasn't worth continuing. And then, ultimately, Izumi's presence proved meaningless, too.

I have to congratulate Yuuichi Nakamura's performance, though. He really was an excellent Greed, even matching Junichi Suwabe at times.

I think that, overall, I'm a bit disappointed that the Dublith/Greed arc was three episodes when it probably should have been four or five, but at least this episode capped it fairly decently.


OT: on Voice Casting of Father's Voice
Father's voice sounded a tad feeble and wavery, when I expected it to be a little more deep and dry. He is voiced by Iemasa Kayumi, who played Chief Chujo in the Giant Robo OVA, so I know he's capble of good work. I'll keep listening to see if he meets my expectations this time around.



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post Jul 6 2009, 05:09 AM
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It was a great episode. Completely action-packed with some really neat choreography. Seeing so much new content from the first series is really exciting as well! Unfortunately, this will have to be my last post in these episode threads. I've only read the manga through October - stopped so I could increase my excitement in the anime when it gets to that point, but a lot of people here are accidentally posting huge spoilers... See you guys around the rest of the forum! Can't wait til next week's episode. smile.gif
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QUOTE (thunderbreak @ Jul 6 2009, 01:48 AM) *
I havent finish watching yet,but i think father's voice
is voiced by whoever who voice honeiheim.btw he's voiced by Iemasa Kayumi .
anyway i did not recognise that he's the one who voice the previews.

@thunderbreak - I noved your post to FMA:B Voice Cast discussion thread.


QUOTE (Broken Chouchou @ Jul 6 2009, 02:32 PM) *
QUOTE (thunderbreak @ Jul 5 2009, 11:48 PM) *
I havent finish watching yet,but i think father's voice
is voiced by whoever who voice honeiheim.btw he's voiced by Iemasa Kayumi.

Oh... So Hoho and Daddy-o will have the same VA? Logically it makes sense of course, seeing as [spoiler for those who haven't reached chapter 74 (?) yet, even though you should have been able to figure this out on your own] Daddy-o's body is a replica of Hohenheims. Just hope this Iemasa guy is good a performer enough to make the voices differ; however much you'd think that this voice doesn't suit Father, if he would be to use that exact same voice for Hohenheim, it'd be a disaster. He better make him sound different, and a lot less old-ish. But yet, despite all that I just said, you should still be able to hear just a tiny hint of resemblance...

QUOTE (penguintruth @ Jul 6 2009, 01:11 AM) *
I have to congratulate Yuuichi Nakamura's performance, though. He really was an excellent Greed, even matching Junichi Suwabe at times.

A(greed!) on that one. Too bad he only got two eps of screentime sad.gif

Father's voice sounded a tad feeble and wavery, when I expected it to be a little more deep and dry. He is voiced by Iemasa Kayumi, who played Chief Chujo in the Giant Robo OVA, so I know he's capble of good work. I'll keep listening to see if he meets my expectations this time around.

Good to hear he isn't just a curious old guy they hired due to budget issues. I do suppose I'll get used to his voice eventually, it's not like you can complain on a bad performance or anything. I just didn't feel that creepiness I so much associate with Father.

But this could mean, if Hohenheim's voice turns out to sound exactly like Father's, that my creepy theory about Father Creep being the one creep-narrating the events of the brother's lives is most likely wrong. It'd be more family freindly, with the absence of all the scary creepiness that is Father, to have the brother's genuine dad be the narrator.

@Broken Chouchou - I moved your nice discussion post on these VAs in FMA:B to FMA:B Voice Cast discussion thread.
Please continue this discussions on FMA:Bs VAs there. smile.gif

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post Jul 6 2009, 11:47 AM
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OT:

QUOTE (Tombow @ Jul 6 2009, 11:39 AM) *
@Broken Chouchou - I moved your nice discussion post on these VAs in FMA:B to FMA:B Voice Cast discussion thread.
Please continue this discussions on FMA:Bs VAs there. smile.gif


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<Program Note>

@Broken Chouchou - No problem! ^^

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* If you'd like to comment on some VAs' performance in this particular episode, then this would be a good thread to post and comment on that.

* If you wold like to discuss about Voice Casting of certain VAs in FMA: Brotherhood series. then the best place to post your discussion is FMA:B Voice Cast discussion thread.

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since i am watching the series with a first timer,i am not that focused on the series cos need 2 do explaining,anyway:
-as others says,king bradley scene is awesome.i never imagine his sword skills would be that fast
-greed,envy has great VA.that laughter from greed is great
-wasnt really pissed of by absence of armstrong n sig scene.
-compact,n bit of surprise on first scene ie mustang scene.good way to say bradley in south
-i am glad that they include each description of the members of homoculi,especially on envy "weird fashion sense"

foe next ep:
-for hawkeye scene i think it may serve as a cliffhanger at end of next ep

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-next time i wont spoil my self to early sad.gif -spoil my viewing pleasure quite a bit


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Manga did it waaaay better. Like I can't even believe. Although a lot of it links into how bad they messed up last weeks. You know, giving the chimeras some personality kinda helps. Dolchet (or however it's officially translated, I've seen about ten variations on this) and Roa had some extra scenes which gave them characterisation, action AND a chance to see more of Wrath.
Plus his scene with Armstrong was better. And the scene with soldiers surrounding Ed seemed to make more sense in the manga.

Wrath having sixpack abs visible through a black t-shirt is just nonsensical and weird.
And the blood 'splosion from Martel was way too exaggerated in the anime.

Manga ended the fight between Ed and Greed much better too.

It looked like they did it fairly accurately, but somehow it still felt like Greed's end should have been more epic. That said, I don't like the scene reshuffling either.
This is the part where the anime should be following the manga exactly and they're managing to mess it up. It is worrying.



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<Program Note>

QUOTE (penguintruth @ Jul 6 2009, 10:19 PM) *
QUOTE (Zenoseiya @ Jul 6 2009, 09:42 PM) *
this new series sucks just as bad as the first attempt. Cheers!

Since the first series didn't suck at all, you must really enjoy this one, then.

@Zenoseiya and penguintruth I moved your posts to Series 1 vs series 2 (FMA: Brotherhood) discussion thread since that discussion is not directly pertaining to the content of this episode.


QUOTE (Forsaken Love @ Jul 7 2009, 05:55 AM) *
Tbh I'm preeeeeeeeety worried, they covered about 30chapters in 14 episodes, thats a third of the manga practically, if they don't slow down a hell of a lot and add in the stuff they missed they WILL inevitably catch up to the manga, unless the mangas gonna stop at chapter 100 or somethin O_o

@Forsaken Love and kkg22104 I moved your posts with the above quoted discussions to Future episode discussion thread.


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Hmmm... this episode must be REALLY boring and devoid of contents to discuss about.
(I couldn't get the Key-hole TV streaming, and I'm waiting for the official sub on Funimation.com to be up on Thursday.) What I read so far is mostly Voice Casting discussions for Father and Selim, and comments on Future episodes. I'm now highly curious to find out if this episode is really that much devoid of contents to discuss. tongue.gif

Anyway... I'd really like to reduce the incidents of moving posts from this thread to other discussion threads, so...

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IF your Voice Casting discussion is about the certain VA's voice acting in this episode, then this is the good thread to post and comment on that.

IF you are posting comments on Voice Casting of some character for this series, then the good place to post that is on FMA: Brotherhood Voice Casting discussion thread.

IF you want to comment on the possible content and/or appearance of certain characters in the future episode, then good place to post that is on Future episode discussion thread.


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I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. But then again I'm not picky. I have the tendency to fill in the blanks of the missing material. I liked the Greed/Bradley fight. I think they did a good job with it. I also liked the scene where Al gets his memory back. To me scenes like those are the ones that are especially important to see come alive in the anime.


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QUOTE (Vagrant @ Jul 6 2009, 09:29 PM) *
Manga did it waaaay better. Like I can't even believe.

I agree...that manga did it WAY better.

I still enjoyed the episode, especially after last week's mess-up.

I seriously don't understand how it is SO hard to adapt manga to anime. Bleach and Naruto do it all the time and pull it off fairly well! lol

if they screw-up the anime from Ling/Mei on, I'll be pissed mad.gif


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Okay, I've been out of town and JUST now got to see it, so here are my thoughts:

On Father's voice

I was a bit suprised that that was how it sounded, but I didn't mind so much, because I thought... "maybe he has the same voice actor as Van Hohenheim?" think about it. It may suit Hohenheim, but not father.

On the animation

They didn't hold back at all, that's for sure. In fact, I think this may have actually been MORE violent than the original. I mean, I don't mind violence or anything, but I think they definatly added some gore.

On the timing

Wow. SO much better than last weeks. Now if they made every episode from now on like this, I would be happy. But they're gonna cover pretty much all of volume 8 in the next episode, so.... the timing is gonna SUUUUCCK. There is a LOT in the battle with Ling's dudes.

Overall

I loved it. The slaughter scene with Martel was done beautifully, and I didn't mind how they had Greed escape. I thought it was done a little weird how he escaped in the original, quite frankly. I mean, Ed just kinda stood there like... "WTF just happened?" But with Izumi in the picture, he actually has an excuse to stay behind. And Pride/Fuhrer talking to Izumi in her sick bed wasn't a bad add in either.


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