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Episode 58: Sacrifices - Content Discussion Thread, Warning, possible spoilers for the first 58 episodes
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post May 23 2010, 08:04 PM
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^Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I liked that part of the episode. I got so pissed off about the whole Riza blood thing that I completely forgot to mention anything else. Haha. Sorry guys.

Yeah, I liked that. Also, I don't know if it was just a couple of bad translations, but I think Dr. Goldthooth refered to Riza as the Colonal's "beloved"? Correct me if I'm wrong. If I'm not, than I'm happy. (Totally not a fangirl.)

Anyhoo, on the lighter side of things, am I the only one that thought Hohenheim popping out of Truth!Father's crotch was funny? I laughed when I saw it in the manga, too! Really? No one else? Huh. Well, shoot me them. ohmy.gif


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post May 23 2010, 09:43 PM
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I giggled at crotch face hoho

And my translation I saw was as "beloved" too. Which makes me happy.
I'm still upset at Roy's va though. Or.. the voice director I should say.


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post May 24 2010, 03:45 AM
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Thats exactly why i wanted riza to die , or at least , lose her speech . . . To make the entire scene a lot more realistic and make this show a tad different from other shonen in which all the good guys survive . . . And i'm a soon to be doctor , i know where riza got slit and she shouldn't be conscious after that much blood loss . . . People speakin about the slit occuring at the site of the jugular are right . . . The jugular has two branches which terminate into the subclavian vein , which is the largest trunk in the entire head and neck region . . . If the cut was deeper , it would have been a lot worse cause this is where the majority of the major arteries (of the head and neck region) are found . . The carotid artery as well . .
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post May 24 2010, 04:21 AM
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Ugh. The ridiculous cargo elevator scenes (that still really annoys me), the really off pacing, the weird place to end it and the already oft-mentioned ridiculous blood loss...

Just didn't enjoy anything in this episode. :\


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post May 24 2010, 04:31 AM
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QUOTE (Flamez_Freak @ May 24 2010, 06:45 AM) *
...The jugular has two branches which terminate into the subclavian vein , which is the largest trunk in the entire head and neck region . . . If the cut was deeper , it would have been a lot worse cause this is where the majority of the major arteries (of the head and neck region) are found . . The carotid artery as well . .


It's nice to hear someone with some actual medical experience agree with me, seeing as all I know so far about that matter is what I've learned my Freshman and Sophomore years in high school. laugh.gif

Now that I've cooled down, I think a lot of FMA's viewers just enjoy the sight of blood, and they were doing a little fanservice for they're sake. Unfortunately, it as at the expense of us realists. Sorta like when an anime throws too much female fanservice in our faces. All the guys are like "Dude, I'd totally tap that." *rolls eyes* and all of the girls, (at the least the ones like me, who are straight as an arrow laugh.gif) Are like, "No way a girl could have boobs THAT big and THAT perky without surgery." dry.gif

Sorry, I kinda got away from the point there, but I think you guys get what I mean.


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post May 24 2010, 04:32 AM
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This has gotta be one of my favourite episodes of the series, my love for Greeling went through the roof xD And I allways loved that LingxRanfan moment where shes holding on to him and her tears hit his face <3 Greeling is just full of so much win! XD His VA did a great job too. Loved the roy and riza scene too, thought that was done great, the animation was also brilliant this week I thought, and I thought the ending was a great place to end it, they usually arnt too good at eploiting the mangas cliffhangers, but I thought this was great. Pretty excited for next week, remember when I was reading next weeks events in the manga, I had to stop half way through because I was getting too stressed XD better ready the tissues haha


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post May 24 2010, 04:33 AM
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Oops, double post, here let me fix it.

Okay, I actually think that LingxLanfan is one of the cutest couples the show has, and I absolutely loved this episode for that. I think that big emotional moments with Lanfan is one of the few things that can bring the Ling out of Greed, and I've always loved that aspect of the story.

Call me a masochist, but even though a little tear will streak my cheek next episode, I'm actually looking forward to it. I can't wait to see how they're gonna do this. I think packing so much story into what, 5 episodes? is gonna be very entertaining to say the least. I hope they reserve only the best animation for these episodes and all of the weird bulky stuff we've had to deal with will pay off.


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post May 24 2010, 05:22 AM
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Ling is what, 15, 16? I always figured Lan Fan to be around 19 - 20. I don't see a romantic relationship here, even though mutually strong feelings are a given between the two. Not to ruin the mood or anything... we don't know Lan Fan's age, she might be Ling's age, I've just gotten the impression that she's older.

Anyway, yeah, I liked this episode. It carried a lot of emotional weight for me; Ling and Lan Fan - whose actors performed really well btw, especially Ling's, at times I didn't even recognise it as his voice - scenes were great. The sheer sorrow and desperation in Ling's voice sent shivers through my body. Then we have Buccaneer's death. The music here was perfect. And Olivier's reaction to when she hears about it... well, there were a lot of things that got to me.

Not to mention the Greed going full out epicness. He definitely deserved to have that track accompany him ^^ The only complaint would be that it didn't last long enough! And it could have been gorier! Though I love it when he stands on the pile of rubble surrounded by flames, and the camera closes up on the blood dripping from his hand. Even if we didn't get to see it, we can imagine the things he did wink.gif And everything just screams quality, from the flames, the blood, and not to mention his face. This whole shot was very cool. And the changes involving the elevator worked a lot better than I had imagined.

And I actually thought that Roy's emotion did show well; he didn't scream hysterically - not something I would expect from Roy - and there wasn't as dramatic facial expressions as in a few of the manga panels. But just look at how his face is twitching. I thought it was good. I agree that maybe the situation didn't feel filled with crazy, senseless desperation, but it felt very dire nonetheless. And the cliffhanger was a good way of ending it.

Side note; I compared the voices of Dante from series 1 with her cameo appearance as that old lady in this episode, and no, sorry to say, I'm pretty sure it isn't the same voice actors tongue.gif


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post May 24 2010, 05:23 AM
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QUOTE (Hagaren_4ever @ May 24 2010, 06:01 PM) *
QUOTE (Flamez_Freak @ May 24 2010, 06:45 AM) *
Thats exactly why i wanted riza to die , or at least , lose her speech . . . To make the entire scene a lot more realistic and make this show a tad different from other shonen in which all the good guys survive . . . And i'm a soon to be doctor , i know where riza got slit and she shouldn't be conscious after that much blood loss . . . People speakin about the slit occuring at the site of the jugular are right . . . The jugular has two branches which terminate into the subclavian vein , which is the largest trunk in the entire head and neck region . . . If the cut was deeper , it would have been a lot worse cause this is where the majority of the major arteries (of the head and neck region) are found . . The carotid artery as well . .


It's nice to hear someone with some actual medical experience agree with me, seeing as all I know so far about that matter is what I've learned my Freshman and Sophomore years in high school. laugh.gif

Now that I've cooled down, I think a lot of FMA's viewers just enjoy the sight of blood, and they were doing a little fanservice for they're sake. Unfortunately, it as at the expense of us realists. Sorta like when an anime throws too much female fanservice in our faces. All the guys are like "Dude, I'd totally tap that." *rolls eyes* and all of the girls, (at the least the ones like me, who are straight as an arrow laugh.gif) Are like, "No way a girl could have boobs THAT big and THAT perky without surgery." dry.gif

Sorry, I kinda got away from the point there, but I think you guys get what I mean.


nice to see my medical experience come in handy smile.gif its been a while since that has happened . . Well i understand what you are trying to say , i hate this kind of unnecessary fan service . . Lots of blood and stuff is okay , but the useless fan service is , bogus . . Now stayin on topic . . . I think the colour greed's armour has been given is actually justified . . Greyish black . . . It reminds me of graphite . . Another allotrope of carbon . . Which is extremely hard . . . . I'm not stating that greed's armour is actually graphite , but i think thats where it gets its colour from . . smile.gif

and yes , i'm certain that the following episodes will most certainly have top notch animation . . Bones has a history of saving up budget for the final episodes . . . (first fma anyone ) can't wait for the next episode , which is worked upon by the guy who was responsible for episode 48 . . (some tetsuya dude) smile.gif



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I say this is a good episode. Better than last week's. XD

- The scene with Ling and Ranfan was wonderful. I liked the tears--yeah, I didn't notice that in the manga either, but it's a good addition. I nearly cried at that part. ;__;
- Buccaneer T_____T I wanted to salute him too, if only I wasn't at my friend's house when I was watching it the first time, lol.
- Pretty eyecatches~ :3
- I find it awesome how Izumi and Ed sort of have the same fighting stance. XD (Well, of course. Master and apprentice, after all. XD)
- The part when Riza got slit... well I'd have to agree with the others. That's a ridiculous amount of blood there. XD Nevertheless, the whole scene still got me screaming like it was my life on the line (LOL, not really, but you know. Royai fangirl here, lol.) but I was a little bit disappointed with Roy's VA. Just a little bit. I didn't feel the desperation and devastation and terror and all that when he called her. Not too much. Not as I expected? Or hoped. Lol.
- But the facial expressions when Goldie was talking to him were wonderful. 8D
- And the part when they showed Riza's blood, then the Philosopher's Stone, then Roy... that was awesome too! I thought I could feel...see Roy's inner struggle in there. XD I liked that part a lot.
- And the eye signal! Awesome.

- Overall, I'm happy with this episode. I just wished the whole "Lieutenant!" thing was a little more... pained. (I thought it went a bit too fast. Oh well. I guess more of it would just be fanservice? XD) When I read that chapter in the manga, I was so shocked (and kinda hurt too, lol--come on, it's my favorite character! I thought she was going to die ;____; I was so scared, lol), I shouted out too. Haha. (Except I said "Riza!" instead of "Lieutenant!" XD) And I just imagined that Brotherhood would be like... "!!!" with it, since in the manga it took... what, half the page? XD
Weeeell, that's just my view on it. XDDD Anyway. Still a wonderful episode. I can't wait for the next ones. (I'm both excited and sad... haha. It's really going to end. ;____;)
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I actually thought the last scene with Hawkeye was all right.

While it's rather unrealistic that she could lose that much blood and live, I'd point out that anime characters in general contain orders of magnitude more blood than real humans, and generally survive losing as much blood as a body could realistically contain. Characters live on heroic resolve more than they do on blood. Brotherhood's not as blatant as some series I've seen, but still. It's just something that comes with the genre. (I'd also note that it was less blatant in the manga; and when she was standing up afterward, it was clear that she couldn't do so without leaning heavily on someone.

My ability to comment on the first half of the episode is limited due to the connection issues that I was having while watching it, but I thought it was pretty good.


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post May 25 2010, 07:21 AM
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Barring one wonky facial expression (roy) , this episode had really nice facial expressions . Stood out for me . . . Especially lin yao . . He was just amazing . . . But really , this was all i was expecting from this episode . . . I'm satisfied , for now


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post Jun 4 2010, 12:06 PM
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Forget Riza. What about Buccaneer? Bradley slashed him up, broke his automail, and drove a friggin' sword all the way through his chest. Which he proceeds to yank out. And somehow he lives long enough to give his (long) last words.

Wait, just Fullmetal Alchemist in general. Like when Ed lost his leg at the age of 10 and still managed to stay conscious long enough to perform a transmutation. And then STILL stayed conscious while blood was gushing out of his arm AND leg. And he had a short conversation with Al before finally passing out. I know this is Edward, but still.

Case in point--characters of FMA tend to lose a ridiculous amount of blood at any given time and still live. It's all for the drama.
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Sorry to bump this up but I've saved all episodes from 57 to 64 and watching them all now instead! I just can't let this episode slip without screaming out how much I liked it.
I LIKED IT!!!
I cried once (when Ran Fan cried, Ling cried and he demanded a doctor) and got extremly teared eyed yet another three times (Buccaneer's death with the blue skies, when Ed yelled "Alphonse!" (...it just gets to me when he uses the full name...) and when they focused on Roy's shaking eye...I am a crybaby.).
Ran Fan's tear mixed with the blood was extremly beautiful and a still screanshot doesn't make it justice.
Greedling's rampage was heartbreaking and not only because of the awesome visuals.
This was also beautiful. (..I hope I don't seem weird.)
I now know why they change the stairs to a tunnel with an elevator. Just to make Greedling seem more bad A. And so they could blow the s*** up.

(Total side note; people acctually seem to have purple eyes in Amestris, not just homunculi.)


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Please add FMA:B English dubbed episode 58 (on CN on Adult Swim) talk-back/discussions here. smile.gif

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