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Chapter 55 "Regular" Discussion Thread For First Time Readers (and Others), No future chapter spoilers here, please. :)
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post Feb 5 2006, 10:45 AM
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[Spoiler]It was awesome! Mei finally met Ed (Poor thing, her dreams are crushed!) and Greed's just as badass as before. Personally, I think it's the same Greed as before, he just lost his memory. I also think that it's possible for Ling to control his body from time to time. It also seems that Ling still likes Ran Fan~ And poor Scar, finding out about Ishbal and Envy...[/spoiler]



hold on a second there! Lin never mentioned that he likes Ranfan the lovey dovey way!

Yeah, but....I think he does XD


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post Feb 5 2006, 12:22 PM
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No they didn't. They transmuted "a human body" or, more probably, a hommunculus (obviously they did it wrong because they lacked the PS), not themselves.
It was someone completely new and anonymous, not an existing human. And it couldn't be either of them cuz "it" had black hair.

It happened, tho', that Al's soul, after having payed his whole body as the price, ended up into that body, killing it in the rejection (if its own malformation didn't kill it before, that is happy.gif).



But "human" is the entirety: body, soul, and connector mind. And transmuting "human" is what opens the gate, right? So isn't it just as likely that because the human they attempted to transmute wasn't the cause of the gate's opening - because it had no soul. Could the attempted transmutation have actually opened the gate even though it wasn't technically "human"?

Or is the homunculus the "gate opener"?
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post Feb 5 2006, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE(emtee @ Feb 5 2006, 08:07 PM) [snapback]346902[/snapback]

QUOTE("Sensenic")
No they didn't. They transmuted "a human body" or, more probably, a hommunculus (obviously they did it wrong because they lacked the PS), not themselves.
It was someone completely new and anonymous, not an existing human. And it couldn't be either of them cuz "it" had black hair.

It happened, tho', that Al's soul, after having payed his whole body as the price, ended up into that body, killing it in the rejection (if its own malformation didn't kill it before, that is happy.gif).



But "human" is the entirety: body, soul, and connector mind. And transmuting "human" is what opens the gate, right? So isn't it just as likely that because the human they attempted to transmute wasn't the cause of the gate's opening - because it had no soul. Could the attempted transmutation have actually opened the gate even though it wasn't technically "human"?

Or is the homunculus the "gate opener"?

Er... Maybe Human Transmutation (what opens the gate) is making a human body which, theoretically, if done right would have a brain and then be able to host a mind and a soul.

Damn abstract concepts, hard to deal with...

Anyway, the Elrics were trying to transmute a whole human with all of it so it was human transmutation. Failed, but still HT. No?


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post Feb 6 2006, 03:46 AM
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*head spins*

..... again, I came to this conclusion... WAIT FOR THE NEW DAMN CHAPTER! It's in 4 days!


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post Feb 6 2006, 02:23 PM
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Er... Maybe Human Transmutation (what opens the gate) is making a human body which, theoretically, if done right would have a brain and then be able to host a mind and a soul.


I can see that. The gate is opened then by the creation/recreation of the "host" uh, thing, which has the ability to be human (now defining human: to house a soul. This is probably a better working defination in any case because what I'd previously posted on meant that Al wasn't human), the ability to be human being a body and mind. So the thing was the human transmutation and then the rebound was to open the gate...did Ed open the gat again then to get Al's soul? Because that'd make the soul transmutation also human transmutation, which would mess up the "host" transmutation as the gate opener unless they both open the gate which would work also and put the counts of human transmutation at two that night.

But at the same time, even though this will define Al as human, any transmutation performed on him (as Al soul + armor) is *not* human transmutation. But that still goes back to - Al can't do human transmutation to open the gate like Ed did to release them from Gluttony's stomach, so is Al human? Which...wasn't my original proposed point, but still it's discussion.

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Damn abstract concepts, hard to deal with...


smile.gif That's actually why I love FMA so much. I love getting hit from the left side by a new interpretation of something I'd accepted already as a concrete perception of an abstract concept. Hard to deal with, definatly, but fun to deal with too!

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Anyway, the Elrics were trying to transmute a whole human with all of it so it was human transmutation. Failed, but still HT. No?



I can't even tell if we're still on differing pages or the same page or something entirely different already! sad.gif




@armor-alchemist: but figuring things out ahead gives us something to do besides "ARG Wait = killing me" (which it is) xD
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post Feb 8 2006, 02:53 AM
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Er... Maybe Human Transmutation (what opens the gate) is making a human body which, theoretically, if done right would have a brain and then be able to host a mind and a soul.


I can see that. The gate is opened then by the creation/recreation of the "host" uh, thing, which has the ability to be human (now defining human: to house a soul. This is probably a better working defination in any case because what I'd previously posted on meant that Al wasn't human), the ability to be human being a body and mind. So the thing was the human transmutation and then the rebound was to open the gate...did Ed open the gat again then to get Al's soul? Because that'd make the soul transmutation also human transmutation, which would mess up the "host" transmutation as the gate opener unless they both open the gate which would work also and put the counts of human transmutation at two that night.

No, it is specifically called "Alchemy of the soul" throughout the series, so it is sth different. And either it opens the gates too (it was never said that HT was the only way to open them, was it?) or in this case Ed had to open the gates because the soul was there, after having been rejected by the "thing". Or whatever. Go figure.
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Damn abstract concepts, hard to deal with...


smile.gif That's actually why I love FMA so much. I love getting hit from the left side by a new interpretation of something I'd accepted already as a concrete perception of an abstract concept. Hard to deal with, definatly, but fun to deal with too!

Yup but also easily to make mistakes and contradictions when thinking it or when explaining it. And I just think too much x_x
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Anyway, the Elrics were trying to transmute a whole human with all of it so it was human transmutation. Failed, but still HT. No?

I can't even tell if we're still on differing pages or the same page or something entirely different already! sad.gif

huh.gif {huh?

You had just asked: Could the attempted transmutation have actually opened the gate even though it wasn't technically "human"? And I replied that yes, it was Human Transmutation, altho' failed, and thus it opened the Gates.
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@armor-alchemist: but figuring things out ahead gives us something to do besides "ARG Wait = killing me" (which it is) xD

indeed.


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post Feb 8 2006, 04:30 AM
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The wait doesn't kill me since I have many other things to do (even tho the only new manga I read now are only FMA, Tsubasa, and Naruto)

Maybe it's just that I got too used to waiting for DN Angel that waiting for FMA feels like nothing as we all know that every month, there will be new FMA, yet we never know where a new chapter of DN Angel will come out.


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QUOTE(armor-alchemist @ Feb 8 2006, 12:15 PM) [snapback]347755[/snapback]

The wait doesn't kill me since I have many other things to do

And you say you don't have a real life... T_T

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(even tho the only new manga I read now are only FMA, Tsubasa, and Naruto)

Naruto, me too. Weekly dose, eases the pain happy.gifU

No, really, it's just that I am here, at work, having nothing better to do than posting at forums... so I might better discuss sth instead of posting random "OMG, 2 days, 12 hours and 19 minutes left!! The AGONY!!" -ehem- sleep.gif


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oh...I cant believe Im so late with FMA manga...there are already chapter 56 and 57 threads....*sits in a dark corner* dry.gif
Well, looking at Lin/Greed was quite cool, still, I think I waited for this so much, and it wasnt what I thought it would be...
But it was fun to see Meis reaction when she saw Ed...poor girl!
Now...I must wait... laugh.gif (I better laugh about this than cry...)


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First time FMA manga readers, please post your thoughts and discussions on chapter 55 here. smile.gif


Those who have already read further chapters are also welcome to join the discussions, but please do not post any future chapter content on this thread.

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