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Hawkeye X Roy: The Royai Thread, For Roy, Riza, and Royai fans, and more!!
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Kale Mustang
post Apr 13 2009, 07:54 PM
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@Forgiven
I'd be weirded out if Grumman and Madam Christmas got together...Roy's foster mom and Riza's granddad o_O

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True that the manga doesn't seem to tell us how close (or even at all) Roy & Riza were as kids, but I think it'd be safe to at least assume that they would've grown up in close quarters. In a house where it was only Papa Hawkeye, Riza & Roy, kids would naturally gravitate towards being at least being civil towards one another.
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post Apr 13 2009, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE (Forgiven @ Apr 13 2009, 11:35 PM) *
-Who are the girls Madam Christmas is always referring to.

It's the girls who work at her 'store' (if you get my drift XD)... The ones that are all over Mustang every time he goes there.
Really, I love Madame Xmas, but I have to say: that's NOT an healthy environment for a child to grow up with!!! What was she thinking, putting up a little boy amongst so many... fun women??

QUOTE (Forgiven @ Apr 13 2009, 11:35 PM) *
-How do we know Papa Hawkeye really put that tattoo on Riza? For all we know, Riza's mother could have been the evil one.

Riza mentions at her dad's funeral that "He put it somewhere where it was safe and no one could steal them", or something like that. And he told her that it was written in a way no alchemist could ever read it.


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post Apr 13 2009, 08:27 PM
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@ Forgiven: Rebecca was one of Riza friends from Ishbal, I think. One of the other snipers I think it was. She was first mentioned when Roy and Riza were eating lunch, but that really doesn't help. In a more key part, Rebecca was the one who came around with the ice cream truck and gave Mustang and his super rebels ammo, new weaponry, etc. I don't remember the chapters though. Sorry. And your throughts, like Kale's, weird me out... in a friendly way, I mean. Grumman and Christmas... together. Wow that'd be a bit creepy.

@Kale: I agree with what you said. I mean, Riza seems to be the only child in her household stuck with only her somewhat crazy dad. Mustang and Hawkeye had to have been friends or at least had spent some kind of time together as kids.
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post Apr 13 2009, 08:31 PM
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Thank you, Turdaewen for posting the scan!! ^^

Yap, this is a page from official FMA manga Gaidebook II, and the part with the Red line... it says: "Actually, he is a Grandfather of Hawkeye on her mother's side." smile.gif


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post Apr 13 2009, 08:47 PM
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Rebecca didn't go to Ishbal. She went to the Academy with Riza and Havoc.

Roy and Riza seemed to be a little intimate, but not too much, cause Riza seemed like that shy kid and she still calls him Mustang-san. Kinda those kids who care about eachother but never get the courage to actually get any closer, you know??


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post Apr 13 2009, 09:03 PM
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Not sure if this has been discussed, but does anyone think Bradley`s promise to coax Roy into opening the gate might come into play? If it does, I can see Riza being a big part of it... I`m scared.
Seriously, this chapter has me more worried than anything else. :c

QUOTE (Forgiven @ Apr 13 2009, 08:35 PM) *
-Grummam and Madam Christmas should get together. lmao

Oh God.
Please yes, haha.


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post Apr 13 2009, 11:44 PM
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QUOTE (Turdaewen @ Apr 13 2009, 08:07 PM) *
QUOTE (Forgiven @ Apr 13 2009, 11:35 PM) *
-Who are the girls Madam Christmas is always referring to.

It's the girls who work at her 'store' (if you get my drift XD)... The ones that are all over Mustang every time he goes there.
Really, I love Madame Xmas, but I have to say: that's NOT an healthy environment for a child to grow up with!!! What was she thinking, putting up a little boy amongst so many... fun women??


...Strangely enough, the little boy grew up to be rather respectful towards women (tiny miniskirts notwithstanding) and has a rather strong woman as his most trusted subordinate.

Methinks Madam Christmas raised that boy all right.
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post Apr 14 2009, 03:15 AM
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Sorry for beating on a dead horse, but do any of you acknowledge the fact that Anime1 did the 'vengeful Roy' story first? So far, I've only spotted one acknowledgment in this forum (thanks, Andie). It gives me the impression that you guys think this chapter gave some incredible original surprise on Roy Mustang's characterization (with total ignorance/denial to that so-called 'tumor' known as FMAnime1). I'm not saying Arakawa stole the idea. In fact, I think she might have had been the one to give this plot-line to the animators in the first place! For all your criticisms to Anime1, please, give credit where credit is due.
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post Apr 14 2009, 03:56 AM
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Oh, well so many things happenmd when I was sleeping xP

Grumman and Chris? Goog God, no!
I love~ Grumman and i hope he won't betray anyone. I said somewhere already, maybe he is going to cover Roy, Riza, Olivier etc. when ppl will want to punish them for Ishvar? He is going to rule Amestris and they're going to live somewhere abroad, peacefully?
About Rebecca, she is also in the gaiden from RED - "Simple people" and she gave message to Riza from Grumman about 'Promised Day'.


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post Apr 14 2009, 04:29 AM
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QUOTE (Alzea @ Apr 14 2009, 03:56 AM) *
Oh, well so many things happenmd when I was sleeping xP

Grumman and Chris? Goog God, no!
I love~ Grumman and i hope he won't betray anyone. I said somewhere already, maybe he is going to cover Roy, Riza, Olivier etc. when ppl will want to punish them for Ishvar? He is going to rule Amestris and they're going to live somewhere abroad, peacefully?
About Rebecca, she is also in the gaiden from RED - "Simple people" and she gave message to Riza from Grumman about 'Promised Day'.


It would be logical when Grumman becomes Fuhrer...
Roy would be the one behind him then. When Grumman dies, Roy will be the Fuhrer. Or Grumman could give him the title, but well...
Who knows what grandpa Grumman has in mind, nobody knows. We only know that he's kida crazy >D


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post Apr 14 2009, 07:39 AM
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Thanks Turdaewen for the raw and thanks
for Tombow for the "here it's".

Yeah plp, Grummam is crazy, fact. But for me he still don't know about his relashionship with Riza, or he knows and is waiting the right time to tell her, or he just can't tell her because he don't want to see some "ghosts" (Riza can be extremely like her mother, and we can supose that her mother simply ignore the militar family and run away with a alchemist who hates the military (Maybe because Grummam don't aprove the relationship between Riza's mom and Hawkeyes papa and try to marry his daughter with a militar).

But I think Madam Xmas make this: She kept all the child she can in the streets and give them a oportunnity to make some choices. Roy can be a barman right now, but he learn alchemy and become a militar.

Hahaha, it's weird but now I think Roy meet Riza's Dad when our adorable Hawkeye papa was in Madam Xmas trying to get some dates. So Madam Xmas talk about Roy and after this Hawkeye papa kept Roy to turn him his aprenttice.


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post Apr 14 2009, 08:00 AM
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Claudius--To be entirely honest, I forgot about the first anime while reading this chapter, and pretty much up 'til now. I get what you're saying, but TO ME, this chapter is a stronger shock than anything else I saw in the anime. Not saying vengeful Roy wasn't there--I know he was. I just haven't watched it in so long... *shrugs* Now I need to go watch it again! (No need to apologize--my memory needs to be set straight every once and a while.)


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Nahahaha, good theory about papa Hawkeye xD I would be so happy if Arakawa would give us some flashback of Grumman and his daughter~! Maybe if Grumman will betray them (I hope this won't happen but we know nothing about what is he going to do) we will see something more about him and his family...

But I think Grumman knows about his relationship with Riza (you remember this talk, 'marry my granddaughter, Mustang' in the 6th volume?), I think it's more possible that Riza don't know about it. Who knows? Maybe Grummy is only silently supporting her or something like this. Any details about it in guidebooks?


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post Apr 14 2009, 08:41 AM
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Yeah, I rebember that ("marry with my granddaughter)... But in my opinion, Mustang don't know who is Grummam's granddaughter and just follow the protocole, laughing and kidding for change the topic.

But I hope Arakawa will solve that in the next chapters, because after all, that thing about Grummam being Riza's Grandpa never appear in the manga, just in the guidebook. The only thing related is that "marry with my granddaughter". (what don't prove or clarify anything).


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QUOTE (Makika @ Apr 14 2009, 05:41 PM) *
Yeah, I rebember that ("marry with my granddaughter)... But in my opinion, Mustang don't know who is Grummam's granddaughter and just follow the protocole, laughing and kidding for change the topic.

But I hope Arakawa will solve that in the next chapters, because after all, that thing about Grummam being Riza's Grandpa never appear in the manga, just in the guidebook. The only thing related is that "marry with my granddaughter". (what don't prove or clarify anything).


You think Roy wouldn't know that she's his granddaughter? I never thought of that for sure...


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