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Those Who Have Seen The Movie, Rate It!, Might as well...
If you have seen it, how do you rate the FMA movie?
If you have seen it, how do you rate the FMA movie?
Good [ 124 ] ** [47.69%]
OK [ 74 ] ** [28.46%]
Bad :( [ 44 ] ** [16.92%]
Confusing, just like the TV ending! [ 18 ] ** [6.92%]
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post Oct 18 2005, 11:36 AM
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QUOTE(Guest @ Oct 17 2005, 07:39 PM) [snapback]301074[/snapback]

The Rossman rates this crap of a show...

http://www.therossman.com/rrr/anime/fullme...emistmovie.html


There's actually alot in that article I agree with. So many unanswered questions about the movie like the alchemy thing in our world, etc, etc, etc.

Too bad for the plot holes and so many other things that go unexplained but I still liked the movie even though I felt they could of ended the series much better.

I need the FMA answerman/woman dammit! biggrin.gif
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post Oct 18 2005, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE(Guest @ Oct 18 2005, 05:54 AM) [snapback]301183[/snapback]
Yep, go sneak off to get some advice from people who have the intelligence to get you out of this mess.
If you have time to keep popping back here to make snide substanceless remarks, you have the time to respond to the case at hand.
Since you avoided the issue, it just proves the idiot you are, thank you very much. Case closed.


Notice that it was 4 am in my time zone when I posted that reply. Some of us have things to do during the day.

Anyway, 'crap of a movie' is a grammatical nightmare because in English you can't use an unquantified noun [i.e. 'crap'] to describe a quantified noun [i.e. 'a movie']. If you'd said 'piece of crap of a movie', I wouldn't have taken issue with it, because you'd have been using a quantified noun to describe another quantified noun. For instance, you never hear anyone saying, 'wow, that was really slugs of a commute', because 'slugs' is unquantified, while you know there's only one commute being mentioned... it could refer to any number of slugs. People would instead say, 'wow, that was a real slug of a commute', because 'slug' and 'commute' are both quantified as singular nouns. But you don't hear people say that, either, because it's much easier to simply say, 'wow, that was a sluggish commute', because that way, 'slug' gets turned into an adjective, and it's much simpler to speak in simple adjective -> noun phrases, than in similes.

And it's pretty damn cowardly to insult someone anonymously. It ensures that you'll never be held accountable for what you've said, ven though it was completely baseless. So go ahead, Mr./Ms. Guest, try to refute what I've said. Nobody will ever know who you are, anyway. rolleyes.gif


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post Oct 18 2005, 06:29 PM
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and so to more constructive comments about the movie..... unsure.gif
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post Oct 18 2005, 06:39 PM
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Yeah, take it elsewhere please. Or at least argue about the movie instead of making personal insults. The thread's going way off topic.
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post Oct 18 2005, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE(What, no bacon? @ Oct 18 2005, 12:54 PM) [snapback]301263[/snapback]
Notice that it was 4 am in my time zone when I posted that reply. Some of us have things to do during the day.
Right, you have 5 hours to go around posting snide substanceless remarks to show off your stupidity.

QUOTE(What, no bacon? @ Oct 18 2005, 12:54 PM) [snapback]301263[/snapback]
Anyway, 'crap of a movie' is a grammatical nightmare because in English you can't use an unquantified noun [i.e. 'crap'] to describe a quantified noun [i.e. 'a movie']. If you'd said 'piece of crap of a movie', I wouldn't have taken issue with it, because you'd have been using a quantified noun to describe another quantified noun. For instance, you never hear anyone saying, 'wow, that was really slugs of a commute', because 'slugs' is unquantified, while you know there's only one commute being mentioned... it could refer to any number of slugs. People would instead say, 'wow, that was a real slug of a commute', because 'slug' and 'commute' are both quantified as singular nouns. But you don't hear people say that, either, because it's much easier to simply say, 'wow, that was a sluggish commute', because that way, 'slug' gets turned into an adjective, and it's much simpler to speak in simple adjective -> noun phrases, than in similes.

Again you demonstrated your failures in the English language. 'Crap', like water and wood, is a mass (non-count) noun rather than an abstract (unquantified) noun, 'slug' is a count (quantifiable) noun. The classification can be found in this grammar site here.

From the same site, but under this link.

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When they are generic, non-count nouns and sometimes plural count-nouns are used without articles. "We like wine with our dinner. We adore Baroque music. We use roses for many purposes." But if an "of phrase" comes after the noun, we use an article: "We adore the music of the Baroque." Also, when a generic noun is used without an article and then referred to in a subsequent reference, it will have become specific and will require a definite article: "The Data Center installed computers in the Learning Center this summer. The computers, unfortunately, don't work."


Hence, 'this (article) crap (mass noun) of a (article) movie (count noun)' is a valid phrase. Your interpretation shows a severe lack of understanding in the English language.


QUOTE(What, no bacon? @ Oct 18 2005, 12:54 PM) [snapback]301263[/snapback]
And it's pretty damn cowardly to insult someone anonymously. It ensures that you'll never be held accountable for what you've said, ven though it was completely baseless. So go ahead, Mr./Ms. Guest, try to refute what I've said. Nobody will ever know who you are, anyway. rolleyes.gif
Yes, like a forum account with made up personal particulars and a temporary validation email account is to solidify one's identity. Of course, you are called Mr What, no bacon? in your tax forms as well.

Your online personality definitely reflects your actual intellect, that of a liar and an idiot.

QUOTE(Jellybean @ Oct 18 2005, 06:39 PM) [snapback]301428[/snapback]

Yeah, take it elsewhere please. Or at least argue about the movie instead of making personal insults. The thread's going way off topic.

That is definitely agreeable. However the waywardness definitely belongs to your fellow registered forumer who displayed a large lack of decorum in launching off a personal attack laced with vulgarity and lies, and continuing it in futile attempts to salvage his/her treasured online reputation, all without even following the topic at hand.
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post Oct 18 2005, 09:31 PM
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If you're gonna reference a rule, at least have the sense to apply it properly, you jackass. In your phrasing, the word "this" is an article modifying "movie", not "crap". In the phrase 'this piece of crap of a movie', the word 'crap' is being quantified by 'piece of', not 'this'.

And don't pretend like there isn't a world of difference between me using an established, traceable online identity [i.e. "What, no bacon?"], to which only I correspond, and your attempt to rattle me with a completely anonymous guest login, to which nobody corresponds. This is me, and everyone knows who I am and how I post. Nobody knows who the hell you are. So until you do get that account validated, don't pretend like we're on equal footing.

And second of all, I never lied. Check the threads about Bones and Continuity in the Japanese Viewers section, if you want evidence.

Finally, if I lashed out, it was because I'm sick of people coming along, not bothering to register, and trying to argue with people, rattling off a string of bullshit, then disappearing without a trace. It's irritating, and it's cowardly, and it shouldn't be happening in a civilized society.

If you want an account of the type of person I am, ask around a bit. I'm sure you'll find that your baseless impression of me is completely wrong.


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post Oct 18 2005, 09:56 PM
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QUOTE(What, no bacon? @ Oct 18 2005, 09:31 PM) [snapback]301543[/snapback]

If you're gonna reference a rule, at least have the sense to apply it properly, you jackass. In your phrasing, the word "this" is an article modifying "movie", not "crap". In the phrase 'this piece of crap of a movie', the word 'crap' is being quantified by 'piece of', not 'this'.

Your usage is inappropriate. So when you see dog poop on the ground ahead of you, in your flawed opinion, it is inappropriate to say "Do you see this shit here?" (you would insist "Do you see this pile/piece of shit here?"), or to talk about a glass of water you picked up with "The water looks clear" (you would insist "The glass of water looks clear"? The meaning of "this crap of a movie" was perfectly clear and conveyed to everyone, except to you, in that the subject at hand was a movie culpable of being crap. Quoting the BBC, a message which was conveyed crystally clear, is acceptable (hence sensible) in English.

QUOTE(What, no bacon? @ Oct 18 2005, 09:31 PM) [snapback]301543[/snapback]

And don't pretend like there isn't a world of difference between me using an established, traceable online identity [i.e. "What, no bacon?"], to which only I correspond, and your attempt to rattle me with a completely anonymous guest login, to which nobody corresponds. This is me, and everyone knows who I am and how I post. Nobody knows who the hell you are. So until you do get that account validated, don't pretend like we're on equal footing.

No. All humans are equal under the laws given in the States (where this forum is hosted on). Even if you never see someone, he/she is accorded the same rights under the freedom of expression of speech.

QUOTE(What, no bacon? @ Oct 18 2005, 09:31 PM) [snapback]301543[/snapback]

And second of all, I never lied. Check the threads about Bones and Continuity in the Japanese Viewers section, if you want evidence.

Prove it, you liar. Prove that http://www.therossman.com/rrr/anime/fullme...emistmovie.html is "THE SAME GODDAMN LINK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN POSTED ON THIS BOARD A DOZEN TIMES".
This forum allows you to point to specific posts, use it to show those 12 posts with the same links.

QUOTE(What, no bacon? @ Oct 18 2005, 09:31 PM) [snapback]301543[/snapback]

Finally, if I lashed out, it was because I'm sick of people coming along, not bothering to register, and trying to argue with people, rattling off a string of bullshit, then disappearing without a trace. It's irritating, and it's cowardly, and it shouldn't be happening in a civilized society.

It seems that apparently to you, dissenting opinions to your own are strings of bullshit. More like you are unable to handle contesting opinions with substantiated facts.

QUOTE(What, no bacon? @ Oct 18 2005, 09:31 PM) [snapback]301543[/snapback]

If you want an account of the type of person I am, ask around a bit. I'm sure you'll find that your baseless impression of me is completely wrong.

The impression I got from your first and subsequent replies is more than enough to be a firm foundation in the image of your character.
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post Oct 18 2005, 10:03 PM
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a ) I was obviously exaggerating when I said 'a dozen', but repeat posts tend to get deleted. I guess yours fell through the cracks.

b ) You couldn't be more wrong about everything you've said to this point. And the fact that your comparative context is totally different from your original one doesn't help your argument one bit.

c ) I'm done arguing with you. Not because of any feeling of defeat, as you'd surely point out, but because we've already done everyone else a disservice by continuing this argument as far as we have.

Later, jackass.


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post Oct 18 2005, 11:35 PM
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QUOTE(What, no bacon? @ Oct 18 2005, 10:03 PM) [snapback]301554[/snapback]

a ) I was obviously exaggerating when I said 'a dozen', but repeat posts tend to get deleted. I guess yours fell through the cracks.

Right, liar. If you wished to exaggerate to make a point, a more plausible term to have been used would be 'hundreds', 'thousands', or even 'dozens', which never state a definite. Even then the responsibility falls upon you to enusre that said posts numbered at least near those ranges. To exaggerate otherwise is simply irrevocably a lie.

Nicely asking a moderator/admin can always confirm whether posts were deleted. Plus, even if there were multiple posts, the first post is left there. So where is that post? The fact remains that you just jumped in without any thought whatsoever to flame others who have differing opinions from yours, and now it backfired on you.

QUOTE(What, no bacon? @ Oct 18 2005, 10:03 PM) [snapback]301554[/snapback]

b ) You couldn't be more wrong about everything you've said to this point. And the fact that your comparative context is totally different from your original one doesn't help your argument one bit.

Different? The usage is the same. It is the stubborn you who refuse to acknowledge being possibly incorrect in certain aspects of the rule.

QUOTE(What, no bacon? @ Oct 18 2005, 10:03 PM) [snapback]301554[/snapback]

c ) I'm done arguing with you. Not because of any feeling of defeat, as you'd surely point out, but because we've already done everyone else a disservice by continuing this argument as far as we have.

Oh no, unlike you, I never bothered with the concept of victory/defeat in internet arguments (a paraphrased popular saying, winning arguments on the internet is like winning the contest for eating excretement). You could have gone into a discussion of "I disagree with the writer of that article, here's why (explanations/arguments substantiated by fact and reasoning)" and served everyone (including me) better with wider views on the subject (like Jellybeans and Tombow), so that knowledge can be broadened. Instead you have gone on a route that proved to be a big disservice to yourself and your fellow forumers.

QUOTE(What, no bacon? @ Oct 18 2005, 10:03 PM) [snapback]301554[/snapback]

Later, jackass.

Way to go preaching about living in a civilized society.
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post Oct 19 2005, 12:16 AM
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What have we here . . .

AS NICE AS THESE GRAMMAR LESSONS ARE FOR THE CHILDREN OF THE FORUM, THEY WILL STOP HERE. THOUGH THE PRECEDING POSTS HAVE DECENT CONTENT, THE THREAD IS BEING DE-RAILED. CEASE THIS ARGUMENT AND TURN THIS THREAD AROUND, OR YOU CAN CONSIDER THIS THREAD CLOSED.

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post Oct 24 2005, 03:21 PM
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Right. *tugs thread back on track* So I finally got around to watching the sub. The ending was almost exactly what I had expected, predictions of which I posted somewhere on this forum back when I first heard about the movie, so I wasn't really surprised about anything. I'm not entirely thrilled with the outcome - I had really only wanted one thing out of it and didn't quite get it - but that's pretty subjective.

As a whole, I'm not impressed. Everything seemed so disjointed at first. I didn't know what was going on, and it took a while for events to actually tie into each other. It just felt so random at first; there wasn't very much depth or background information on anyone or anything. I scanned through this thread (first movie-related thing I've read at all since the movie's release - didn't want to color my vision before I'd even had a chance to see it myself) and it looks like people have already touched on that. At first I simply attributed this to time constraints, but after some thought, I'm not so convinced. It could definitely have been handled better. The show handled greater quantities of information in less time better than this.

I suppose the important thing is that it provided closure to the series, and while I'm personally not too pleased with the outcome, it's certainly better than no closure at all. I don't feel like I wasted my time watching it, either, not only for that reason (closure, yay) but also simply in that it's nice to have a chance to see some new FMA material with many of those characters from the series and all that, and to see how they grew up and developed. I don't know. It's hard not to be automatically biased towards the movie since the series is still one of the best shows I've ever seen, but I must admit I'm disappointed. The movie simply lacks the quality of the series.
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post Oct 26 2005, 03:09 PM
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i saw the movie (Canto-sub)

i give it a "C" for reasons that have already been stated (continuity problems etc.). then again, i want to see it again becuase the chinese subs were crap; im not even sure if the subs i had were legit or some illegal mainland china rip.


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Hello, all! This is my first post, so please forgive me if I some how offend you all. biggrin.gif

I personally really liked the FMA series, but I feel that the movie fell short of my expectations for basically the same reasons that have been stated above. There were a lot of non-sensical events, in my opinion (i.e. Yes, how DID Gluttony get that big?). Also, I have problems with the ending regarding why Ed had to go through himself and such; I bring this up again because I feel absolutely awful for Winry. She has the be the biggest loser after all is said and done (aside from people who lost their lives).
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@Moonbase - Nah, your post didn't offend me. I actually agree with lots of what you posted. And, yes I felt sad for Winry, too.

@kaizenyorii - I didn't even know there were Cantonese sub!! Sorry to hear that that one wasn't very good. There is one English sub that has, in my opinion, with excellent subbing job. I hope you can get hold of that one.

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I got this weird feeling that they made this amazing epic masterpiece with good character development with an excellent plot that explained everything clearly and gave everyone a nice feeling of why things ended the way things did, and how the end of the FMA series became the beginning of the FMA movie.

And then someone realised that it was seven hours long and all the good material ended up on a cutting room floor. A lot of it assumed that we knew more than we did. The way they handled the new characters made it feel like we were supposed to've become as close to them as we did with Rose or Hughes or someone with a similar presence, but they didn't get enough screentime to feel like anything more than nice plot devices, but that's just me. Maybe the movie will get an extended DVD version or something.
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