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The Westboro Baptist Church, 'God hates Fags'
Toby-Chan
post Jun 24 2006, 06:13 PM
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I would first off like to apologize to anyone who may be offended for the terminology I repeat that has been used by this church. Their repeated use of the term "Fag", is not only a slur directed at homosexuals, but as they argue of its etymology, is derived from the concept of one who will burn in hell, and they use it indiscriminately against not only homosexuals, but those who commit adultery, fornication, and other 'sins against God'.


I'm sure lots of us have seen the website- GodHatesFags.com and heard of their protests against Military funerals, claiming that Soldiers dying in Iraq is God's punishment for the fact that the US is tolerant of gays, in the military and in general. They also make claims such as that AIDS is something that God loves.

I think it can be summed up easily as their slogan that, 'If you aren't good enough, God hates you.'

Even networks and individuals widely known for conservatism were enraged and disgusted at the teachings of this church. We see a report here on Fox News?. And it's no wonder. These preachings disgrace all that sane moral conservatives and Christians strive for.


You'll notice this video turns quickly away from any real potential argument, however, and devolves quickly into catfighting and namecalling.



Which brings up more of the core question in debate here.

I have seen so many people who were also disgusted and outraged at these claims, saying that 'They are not real christians because they preach hate!', however that statement is very often followed up with something similar to the reporter's angry rantings, or something along the lines of 'they should die!'

Hypocrisy much?

If so many of those enraged 'christians' take a claim to true christianity because they promote love and tolerance, then why is it any different for these zealots? Hating their actions, yes. Taking legal movement against them, yes. Being hurt and wanting to speak out? Of course!

But responding to their hate and anger with hate and anger? Where is the 'true christianity' in that?

Would it not be the true Christian thing to do, to go on loving these poor misguided souls? Would it not be Godly and righteous to try to understand that these people are ignorant, horribly mislead, and pray for their forgiveness, as you would want done for you should you ever need to be forgiven? Even if they don't want this forgiveness. Even if they never accept love from those who would divulge from their 'true teachings', even if they take it to their graves, would it not make the world a better place, beyond Christian standards and simply in human standards, to defeat their manifesto simply by proving them that love prevails?

If God is Love, then there is nothing that can be done to kill faith more quickly than hate.


Those are my thoughts. Please discuss. (And no; this is not just a 'homosexuality' or 'christianity/faith' thread. This is a complex topic, and I should hope more people have thoughts on this.)



"Always be sure to forgive your enemies. Nothing annoys them so much."

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post Jun 24 2006, 06:18 PM
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Hate and anger won't make ignorance go away.

There's no way you can force them to change their beliefs...Making laws that limit their annoyingness will work and just ignoring their actions. It's almost a waste of time and energy to try to convince them that their ideals are wrong.


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post Jun 24 2006, 06:54 PM
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post Jun 24 2006, 07:21 PM
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They shouldn't die, they should be forced to live in San Fransisco or Las Vegas.
Fred Phelps is just an angry old man with a congragation made of his family and a few nut cases. His sermons are conrodictary and riddled with holes. He's not got long left in him and when he kicks the bucket the church will disolve.


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post Jun 24 2006, 07:24 PM
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QUOTE(popogeejo @ Jun 24 2006, 07:21 PM) [snapback]415872[/snapback]
He's not got long left in him and when he kicks the bucket the church will disolve.


We can only hope that the teachings will eventually die out.


... wouldn't it be such lovely irony if there were 'fags' protesting at his funeral?

(That does go against my arguments, but it's just a rather amusing thought. Hey, I'm human.)


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post Jun 24 2006, 07:34 PM
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I think he should expand his hate. God hates quite a few things,
http://www.godhatesfigs.com/
http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/
http://www.godhatesamerica.com/ Winner of worst site design ever.
http://www.finalfrontier.org.uk/abortion.htm [god hates abortion]
www.godhatessweden.com



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post Jun 24 2006, 07:35 PM
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I wouldn't get my hopes up. Have you seen the guy's daughter? She's just as rabid as he is.


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post Jun 25 2006, 04:54 AM
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QUOTE(Void @ Jun 25 2006, 03:35 AM) [snapback]415878[/snapback]

I wouldn't get my hopes up. Have you seen the guy's daughter? She's just as rabid as he is.


She's passionate but I think her dad is just a fugure head now and shes the brains. Without her puppet she can't do much can she?


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QUOTE(popogeejo @ Jun 24 2006, 07:34 PM) [snapback]415877[/snapback]

I think he should expand his hate. God hates quite a few things,
http://www.godhatesfigs.com/
http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/
http://www.godhatesamerica.com/ Winner of worst site design ever.
http://www.finalfrontier.org.uk/abortion.htm [god hates abortion]
www.godhatessweden.com

Shrimp? So if you eat shrimp you commit a sin?! huh.gif Why would God hate any little food like shrimp?
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post Jun 25 2006, 07:48 PM
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It's against the rules of kashrut. Anything that comes from the water needs to have fins and scales. Lobster, shrimp, clams, shark, jellyfish, squid, etc are all 'abominations of the sea' and you're not supposed to eat them. WHY that's so nobody knows, a lot of the rules in the bible are pretty odd.
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Where in the bible does it say America is hated? Are they trying to mess up our dear bible? What?
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"God" "hates" America because the US harbours homosexuals (read: it's not illegal). God hates every counrty that doesn't persecute homosexuals.
Remember: God is love.


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...and this mentality is different from that of al-Qaeda... how?


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But doesn't every place harbor homosexual people? And what's so bad about homosexuals?

I do not like the sites that Popogeejo put up. Frigging site making idiots dry.gif
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If they don't like having gays around, they should move to a place that better suits them... like Saudi Arabia.


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