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Hawkeye X Roy: The Royai Thread, For Roy, Riza, and Royai fans, and more!!
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post Nov 10 2009, 05:52 PM
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Just a thought:

I was thinking that there is a great a significance to Roy and Riza when the Doctor said "Who will we transmute? Family? A friend? A lover?" I think that Riza can fall under each of these categories individually as well as all three at once for Roy. It depends on how you interpret their relationship, but to me it's as if he's directly saying that they knew that she was important to Roy in all of these ways (I suppose at that moment he's not referring directly to Riza, but at the same time, she really does seem to be the main focus of this statement).

Just thought I'd say it. I'm pretty sure it's been mentioned already, but it just came to mind. laugh.gif
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post Nov 10 2009, 06:55 PM
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When they cut Riza, I dont think they were completely expecting him to transmute HER but more so transmute anyone in exchange for the philosopher's stone to heal her. That's why he asked "Family? A friend? A lover?" incase her wanted to bring back someone else. Though those three terms can also refer to just Riza.

QUOTE (RoyxRizaFan4ever @ Nov 11 2009, 10:18 AM) *
*breathes again after a month*

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But does anyone know what it says to the left in the panel with Mei on page 30? Wondering if it's important...

*vanishes until next month*

Something like "Dont squeeze her too hard or her wound will open again!" For some reason they didnt translate that part.


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post Nov 10 2009, 07:06 PM
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When "testing" the Royai relationship in my mind, I change Riza with Maes and imagine with him the Royai situations XD. Almost all of them do fit Maes; I can only think of two that could not fit, and those are extremely subtle: When Grumman talked with Roy about a marriage with Riza (the panel seems to be turned diagonally), and that panel where Roy was talking to Riza while embracing her after Mei healed her wound, because the speech bubble overlapped his face, and that was obviously intentional (besides, the "don't squeeze her too hard" is revealing enough biggrin.gif ).

Even Riza's breakdown at chapter 39 could have happened with Ed and Al, were they in the same situation. All so-called Royai moments show a tender and incredibly strong bond, but only the two above I talked about seem truly romantic to me.
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post Nov 10 2009, 08:19 PM
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Ehh.. this "friends or something more" talk is growing daunting.. it's just showing up in too many places now.. I don't doubt their feelings for each other one bit, and that's all I'll say on the subject.

I have good news! The doujin I bought finally arrived! I took a few pictures (no access to a scanner, plus I'm not about to bend and possibly tear my very first doujin!) so please excuse the quality. I tried to fix them up a little bit though. These are four colored pages in the book, and they're so nice! Here's two of them:



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post Nov 10 2009, 08:29 PM
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QUOTE (JELEE @ Nov 10 2009, 08:55 PM) *
When they cut Riza, I dont think they were completely expecting him to transmute HER but more so transmute anyone in exchange for the philosopher's stone to heal her. That's why he asked "Family? A friend? A lover?" incase her wanted to bring back someone else. Though those three terms can also refer to just Riza.

QUOTE (RoyxRizaFan4ever @ Nov 11 2009, 10:18 AM) *
*breathes again after a month*

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But does anyone know what it says to the left in the panel with Mei on page 30? Wondering if it's important...

Something like "Dont squeeze her too hard or her wound will open again!" For some reason they didnt translate that part.


*slithers in*

Oh, thanks Jelee! It is pretty strange that it wasn't translated...I think it's pretty important.

And I agree with Kaori, just substitute Hughes for Riza and you can separate the friendly and the more-than-friendly more easily. wink.gif

*vanishes for another month*
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post Nov 10 2009, 08:31 PM
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Because I love the 'hug-panel' so much, I've decided to color it ^w^:

http://yikie-chan.deviantart.com/art/Royai...r-101-143211690

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post Nov 10 2009, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE (Yikie @ Nov 10 2009, 10:31 PM) *
Because I love the 'hug-panel' so much, I've decided to color it ^w^:

http://yikie-chan.deviantart.com/art/Royai...r-101-143211690



Beautiful! You did such a good job coloring it!


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post Nov 10 2009, 08:44 PM
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Nice colouring job there.

*is jealous of your talent*
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post Nov 10 2009, 08:52 PM
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@Nagareboshi and BirdieNumNum: Thank you ^^!


On-topic: I think it's funny the more royainess (call it 'evidence', call it 'interaction' or whatever you want) we get, the more people get sceptical about their relationship and depict them as 'just' friends. And not when their relationship was shown much more subtle (the 'will they? won't they?'-fase) in the beginning.
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post Nov 10 2009, 09:20 PM
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QUOTE (Yikie @ Nov 10 2009, 10:52 PM) *
@Nagareboshi and BirdieNumNum: Thank you ^^!


On-topic: I think it's funny the more royainess (call it 'evidence', call it 'interaction' or whatever you want) we get, the more people get sceptical about their relationship and depict them as 'just' friends. And not when their relationship was shown much more subtle (the 'will they? won't they?'-fase) in the beginning.


Yeah, I guess they could always give the arguement, "It's not a love hug. It's a 'man' hug, but with a woman." tongue.gif

I love that colored picture! Thanks for sharing!


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QUOTE (Kaori Ayanami @ Nov 10 2009, 07:06 PM) *
When "testing" the Royai relationship in my mind, I change Riza with Maes and imagine with him the Royai situations XD. Almost all of them do fit Maes; I can only think of two that could not fit, and those are extremely subtle: When Grumman talked with Roy about a marriage with Riza (the panel seems to be turned diagonally), and that panel where Roy was talking to Riza while embracing her after Mei healed her wound, because the speech bubble overlapped his face, and that was obviously intentional (besides, the "don't squeeze her too hard" is revealing enough biggrin.gif ).

Even Riza's breakdown at chapter 39 could have happened with Ed and Al, were they in the same situation. All so-called Royai moments show a tender and incredibly strong bond, but only the two above I talked about seem truly romantic to me.


I agree with you with this on some ways, as there are definitely some ambiguous Royai moments. But what about the Barry the Chopper jealousy scene? Or the "They took my queen" scene (with Hughes....? awkward.... huh.gif) ? And there's also the tender way he speaks to Riza that you never really see when he talks to Hughes. And for some reason, I don't feel like the phone scene would have played out in the same way if it were Hughes instead of Riza. If the exact same circumstance with Pride happened with Hughes instead of Riza, I think there would be waaaay more people claiming Roy/Hughes was canon (I do understand that it is popular though....) Trying "go play with Maes-Chan" doesn't really seem to fly to me either.

39 definitely would not have gone the same way if Riza were Hughes. No way. But I do understand that it may be similar if it had been Ed and Al. But then again, Al absolutely needs Ed to live in order for his own survival.... I don't know if it's really accurate to compare what happened in 39 to how the situation might have been had it been Ed and Al instead and determine Roy and Riza's relationship from that standpoint.
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post Nov 10 2009, 09:35 PM
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I like this coloring too. It even gets anime-like.

QUOTE (Animeoldtimer @ Nov 11 2009, 06:20 AM) *
QUOTE (Yikie @ Nov 10 2009, 10:52 PM) *
@Nagareboshi and BirdieNumNum: Thank you ^^!


On-topic: I think it's funny the more royainess (call it 'evidence', call it 'interaction' or whatever you want) we get, the more people get sceptical about their relationship and depict them as 'just' friends. And not when their relationship was shown much more subtle (the 'will they? won't they?'-fase) in the beginning.


Yeah, I guess they could always give the arguement, "It's not a love hug. It's a 'man' hug, but with a woman." tongue.gif
OK, so I give reasoned arguments and you people give rants... Not cool, huh; not cool.

It's not about denying Royai. But seen in an objetive way, it's not blatant either. My opinion is that it does exist, but it is (and is also shown) in a Japanese style, so we non-Japanese can hardly take the same events as romantic. It's one of those cases when it's evident that the author has an idea in mind but doesn't bother to be clear about it, because he/she is relying on cultural bias (of the Japanese, in this case).

The "change Riza with Maes" method does give the necessary objectivity, because there is hardly anyone (besides Riza) that Roy loves more than Maes. The only difference I can think about is romantic love. A sweet one, but not overwhelming, and only surfacing briefly from time to time. Hardly ideal for me, but then again, I'm not Japanese.

EDIT: In order to answer the poster above. ^^

* Barry the Chopper jealousy scene: Believe me, it has happened almost the same way... with my brother XD. I could see my father behaving that way too. (Being a woman with male relatives can be hard sometimes sleep.gifU).
* The "They took my queen" scene: It didn't happen with Hughes... because he was dead by then. But Roy thought about his whole team. True, the other weren't but pawn, knight and the like, but you get the idea: not directly romantic.
* The tender way he speaks to Riza: It could be also out of him knowing her when she was very young and naive (and so was he). Not necessarily romantic.
* The phone scene: It could have happened with Maes. But only with him. Just try to imagine it with Havoc... *shivers*
* "Go play with Maes-Chan" XDDD: You do have a point with this one. One more to the list. wink.gif
* Chapter 39's breakdown: To be able to compare Ed and Al with Roy and Riza under the same circumstances, proves that there are similar traits in both relationships: strong attachment and undying loyalty. Yet we KNOW Ed-Al relationship is NOT romantic. On the other hand, that Ed or Al could have reacted the very same way as Riza doesn't prove that Riza COULDN'T have broke down out of love. If anything, the romantic shaping of Royai can be sorted out of other situations, but not this one. This only proves the importance Riza attachs to their bond (was that well worded???)
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post Nov 10 2009, 09:40 PM
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QUOTE (Kaori Ayanami @ Nov 10 2009, 09:35 PM) *
OK, so I give reasoned arguments and you people give rants... Not cool, huh; not cool.

It's not about denying Royai. But seen in an objetive way, it's not blatant either. My opinion is that it does exist, but it is (an is also shown) in a Japanese style, so we non-Japanese can hardly take the same events as romantic. It's one of those cases when it's evident that the author has an idea in mind but doesn't bother to be clear about it, because he/she is relying on cultural bias (of the Japanese, in this case).

The "change Riza with Maes" method does give the necessary objectivity, because there is hardly anyone (besides Riza) that Roy loves more than Maes. The only difference I can think about is romantic love. A sweet one, but not overwhelming, and only surfacing briefly from time to time. Hardly ideal for me, but then again, I'm not Japanese.


Ah. I see what you mean now.... I'm sorry that my inner rabid Royai fangirl came out in such force against your comment.....

Sorry about the rant. ^This argument is very rational. I shouldn't have gotten so defensive. I only meant to point out other situations where inserting Hughes didn't seem to work to me. I didn't realize that it ended up sounding abrasive until now. My bad....

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* Barry the Chopper jealousy scene: Believe, it has happened almost the same way... with my brother XD. I could see my father behaving that way too. (Being a woman with men relatives can be hard sometimes sleep.gifU).
* The "They took my queen" scene: It didn't happen with Hughes... because he was dead by then. But he thought about his whole team. True, the other weren't but pawn, knight and the like, but you get the point: not directly romantic.
* The tender way he speaks to Riza: It could be also out of him knowing her when she was very young and naive (and so was he). Not necessarily romantic.
* The phone scene
* "Go play with Maes-Chan" XDDD: You do have a point with this one. One more to the list. wink.gif
* Chapter 39's breakdown: To be able to compare Ed and Al with Roy and Riza under the same circumstances, proves that there are similar traits in both relationships: strong attachment and undying loyalty. Yet we KNOW Ed-Al relationship is NOT romantic. On the other hand, that Ed or Al could have reacted the very same way as Riza doesn't prove that Riza COULDN'T have broke down out of love. If anything, the romantic shaping of Royai can be sorted out of other situations, but not this one. This only proves the importance Riza attachs to their bond (was that well worded???).


You make good points against mine, but I was only pointing out that these are moments that could not have happened if Riza was Hughes instead. I believe you are correct in that the Barry the Chopper scene and the way he talks to her may not necessarily mean romantic attraction. You also make a good points about chapter 39 (it's well worded enough to be understood, so you're fine biggrin.gif) Though in regards to that chapter, I think it's about how one interprets it. I've always thought it suggests romantic attraction, but you're very right in saying that it proves nothing but the strength of their bond (whether romantic or otherwise)

Again, sorry about the ranting.... You really do have good points there. I should have slowed down before firing up so much.
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post Nov 10 2009, 09:58 PM
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Sorry about my poor attempt at a joke. I have no objection to having legitimate disagreements about Royai. They could still just be best friends, but I think it's more.


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post Nov 10 2009, 10:24 PM
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Don't worry, I know it's the Royai spirit in action. ^^

(By the way, I did minor edits afterwards ^^U)
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